Nav In-Motion Disable Completed, Patch Available!

[titan]

I have not looked at the APL yet and am headed down to the dungeon to my project box where all that is stored, so excuse my ignorant question, but is the version number stored in the same area in APL as in MAIN?

OK, for those interested, it is in line 1970 of the APL.APN file, first 4 pairs are the version number.  I am changing all of my files to 00 03 02 00 and modifying subsequent versions hereafter to be one version up so as to leave myself tons of room to make experimental copies and changes to the firmware and still be able to put a stock AE in there if ever needed.

[milous]

I am still not clear on whether or not one can load the factory AE disc back in after they have loaded a modified ".01" AE disc...? Or is ".01" considered an increment that will not allow the factory ".00" to be loaded again?

Also, after running the modified AE disc a couple of days I now get a "disc load error" (or it will halt on "loading") when the unit is first turned on. If I eject it and reinsert all is ok for the entire ignition cycle and I can use all functions of the nav with no errors. I'm using a Verbatim disc. Also, outside temp has dropped a bit last day or so where it's starting to get cold at night so not sure if that has anything to do with the problem. With the factory discs (AC, AD) never once had a error of any type.

Is anyone else having similar problems, and anyone have any ideas as to what may be causing this?

[HaTaX]

milous, what speed did you burn your disc at? I have done all of mine at 2.4x.

[milous]

milous, what speed did you burn your disc at? I have done all of mine at 2.4x.

"2x", which is the lowest setting shown for my Pioneer A-108 unit...

[titan]

That is why I said I want to take mine back a bit and start from there, so that I can always stick the factory disc in and have it load its software and work.

I have not been able to get a single burn to work.  It does not even attempt to load the new software/firmware and reports back Disc Read Error and does nothing more.

In folder ZH2FF made both MAIN and APL vers. 2.03.00 (00 03 02 00) at locations 52 1CB4-1CB7 and 1970-1973, respectively.  I then copied those files into ZH200.  The only thing I have not done it made the ISO with UltraISO because I do not own a key for it and the trial only lets you make one up to 300MB.  I am starting to wonder if maybe I misunderstood Vindes and was not supposed to change the version in the APL, nor copy it to ZH200.  Or maybe it is just the fact that I am circumventing UltraISO.

Therefore, in Nero, I burnt a UDF since the files are too large for ISO (so says Nero).  UDF does not have Joliet or any of the other things I would need to turn off as an option, so I was under the impression these were all disabled or not there in the first place since there was no option for them.  In the end I burnt a coaster.

Anyone, please?

[milous]

...FYI - You can put the stock AE disc in and it will work just fine (still in-motion hacked functionality)...  I tried it in mine.  I'd be very impressed if the potential buyer would ever know the difference.

Dave

Ok, are you saying then that after I put in a modified 2.04.01 disc I can then go back to the factory "AE 2.04.00" disc and it will work fine? (the hack still being intact I realize). My concern is this - I am still having a little trouble with disc load errors at startup, if this persists and I cannot find a solution then as a last resort I will need to get an original factory AE disc to replace the DVD-R disc so I don't have to deal with the errors.

[titan]

Here's a respectable question.  You mentioned we can make an update only disc containing just the ZH2FF and ZH200 folders...can we burn just those two to a regular 4.7GB and update the NAV, then continue running the factory AE disc with the REC now hacked to 2.04.01 In-Motion capable?

[Fast4Dr]

I successfully completed the upgrade yesterday afternoon.  I used UltraISO to create the image and the burned it onto a FugiFilm DVD+R DL using Alcohol 120% and had no issues whatsoever

[wkearney99]

I noticed it's also on the ed2k networks.  Search for "05064033AE".  At 3.5gb in a WinRAR file it may be a bit faster to download.  Which might also be a good idea for the torrent too.

[titan]

I question how possible it is to compress an ISO down over 50% via WinRAR...

[BrightonBob]

Titan:
Are you "finalizing" the disk in Nero? If not, it will not load.

For those of you without UltraISO, ImgBurn will create an ISO and it is Freeware. When I created mine, it came out 7,961,974 bytes (after mod) compared to 7,961,974 on the 05064033AE version downloaded. I haven't burned it yet, waiting for some cheaper disks than the $4.00 each ones at WalMart.

[Vindes]

I have not been able to get a single burn to work.  It does not even attempt to load the new software/firmware and reports back Disc Read Error and does nothing more.

Therefore, in Nero, I burnt a UDF since the files are too large for ISO (so says Nero).  UDF does not have Joliet or any of the other things I would need to turn off as an option, so I was under the impression these were all disabled or not there in the first place since there was no option for them.  In the end I burnt a coaster.

I have never gotten Nero to burn a DVD the unit will read except when I use a different program to create an ISO first.  I don't think Nero will let you set the options properly.  At least I haven't found a way to do it.  That's why I use UltraISO instead.

In folder ZH2FF made both MAIN and APL vers. 2.03.00 (00 03 02 00) at locations 52 1CB4-1CB7 and 1970-1973, respectively.  I then copied those files into ZH200.  The only thing I have not done it made the ISO with UltraISO because I do not own a key for it and the trial only lets you make one up to 300MB.  I am starting to wonder if maybe I misunderstood Vindes and was not supposed to change the version in the APL, nor copy it to ZH200.  Or maybe it is just the fact that I am circumventing UltraISO.

I recommend not changing anything in the APL files.  The bytes that you mention above (1970-1973) are NOT the version number in the APL.  The version ID is at the end of the file, at 2:9e9c and for the AE disc shows up as 4.10 (00 10 40 00)  The date stamp inside the file is 7/29/05.  On the AD disc, the APL version shows as 4.20, but the date is 3/07/03.  So it's an older file with a higher version number.  I have no idea why it's like that.

I haven't found the code that makes it decide whether to load a new APL or not.  I don't know how it decides.  We do know how it decides whether to load the new MAIN, and that's based purely on the version number.

What's important is that the MAIN and APL it has loaded "go together".  That doesn't mean they have the same version numbers, because they don't.  But they do have to have the same mapping of where variables are stored in memory.  So you want to make sure it loads them together, from the same DVD.  I think the easiest way to do that is to make minimal changes to the the files and version numbers.

For what you want to do, I'd suggest just changing the version in MAIN to 2.03.00 and leaving APL alone.  So then if you put a stock AE dvd in, it will update to stock AE.

[Vindes]

Here's a respectable question.  You mentioned we can make an update only disc containing just the ZH2FF and ZH200 folders...can we burn just those two to a regular 4.7GB and update the NAV, then continue running the factory AE disc with the REC now hacked to 2.04.01 In-Motion capable?

In theory, yes.  But I've never tried actually going through with it.  I burned a 4.7gb disc with the updated versions on it recognized it as an update disc and gave me the "System will be shut off to update...  Press ENTER to continue."  But I didn't go through with the update since I already had the update running.

If you do try that, the DVD will have to be burned with the same options as for the dual layer DVD.  Joliet off, Unix/Windows format, ISO version box set correctly.

Once the patched version (2.04.01) is loaded you can use the stock AE disc and it will not downgrade.  It'll keep running the patched version from memory, and use the GPS database on the AE disc.

[titan]

I'll be your guinea pig then.  I gave up on tinkering with version numbers in the long run since I can just use a 2.04.02 to replace it with unhacked software and run the stock disc.  Will let you when/if this works... dum dum dum.  Which files contain the map data, I may just remove those and burn an in-tact as possible update DVD sans large unnecessary files.

[HaTaX]

If ultraISO isn't letting you work with bigger then 300mb files try MagicISO, that's what I used to extract and then re-import the new copies of the hacked MAIN.APL files.  Worked great for me, then burn it in Nero and make sure you tell it the image is a DVD image.

Milous, if you have a 2X option instead of a 2.4x that means you are using DVD-R DL discs, try getting a verbatim DVD+R DL disc and see what happens there.

Also, I did make an ISO in Nero and I was able to get it to read it okay and everything, but I am running version 6, not 7.